tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post1212195154114907514..comments2023-07-04T06:47:26.125-04:00Comments on Everything In The Medicine Cabinet Has Expired: If We're Going to Claim the Mantle of Good Guys, We Should Probably Act Like Good GuysSpencer Troxellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03750605353914336538noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-11682590366545036372009-05-10T21:33:00.000-04:002009-05-10T21:33:00.000-04:00Right. That's how THEY treat their prisoners. That...Right. That's how THEY treat their prisoners. That's why we're the good guys.Spencer Troxellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750605353914336538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-40194060444006656822009-05-10T21:04:00.000-04:002009-05-10T21:04:00.000-04:00I can't believe the sympothy given to our captives...I can't believe the sympothy given to our captives. Watch this and feel sorry for them. This is how they treat their prisoners. http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191234.phpbbistornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-57021053542482534352009-05-06T19:17:00.000-04:002009-05-06T19:17:00.000-04:00I like when Dennis Miller said, "When did it becom...I like when Dennis Miller said, "When did it become wrong to hate people that want to kill us?"bbistornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-15516841546573022792009-05-06T19:07:00.000-04:002009-05-06T19:07:00.000-04:00I like the fact that we used torture, and I hope w...I like the fact that we used torture, and I hope we continue to use various forms in the future. Compared to most of the world we are very civil, and torture is just another tool in our toolbox to use as necessary. We aren't waterboarding Iraqi librarians, we are using it on leaders of a radical group that wants to "kill or convert all infidels". F-em. The middle east should be a parking lot by now.bbistornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-11370738593322765092009-05-06T16:00:00.000-04:002009-05-06T16:00:00.000-04:00Stan: I guess that's one way to approach interroga...Stan: I guess that's one way to approach interrogation, although, I'm not sure seeing the guys who waterboarded Hitchens (above) in black leather and spiked heels would be more, or less humane.Spencer Troxellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750605353914336538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-20896591630031096512009-05-06T15:07:00.000-04:002009-05-06T15:07:00.000-04:00There's lots of houses near me that specialize in ...There's lots of houses near me that specialize in torture, the women wear black leather, spiked heels, and they are oh so good at it.Stan Smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-68338573048085524922009-05-06T11:08:00.000-04:002009-05-06T11:08:00.000-04:00We will have to agree to disagree on the torture. ...We will have to agree to disagree on the torture. In practically every case I would agree with you, except this one. The US should not engage in tortutre of uniformed military captured or civilians taken in any instance. A person carrying bombs or weapons for detination of a military or civilian target for the purpose of the advancement of an idea or policy of a group as a sneak attack to cause terror to bring attention to that idea, is the exception. It is cowardly, evil, and these people should be used to any extent to stop the very campaign they represent.<br /><br />On the Perella Weinberg and Chrysler debacle, I've read the statements, listened to the lawyer who was actually working with the White House, and he has definately been told to shut up. There is a lot of wiggle room in the statements and inspite of media reports, my read is that; it very possible that their were threats, Perella Weinberg would like the mess to go away, the truth is somewhere between White House accounts and the lawyers. Obama's own press conference on the matter was vilifying the companies that didn't bend to his wishes. People associated with Perella Weinberg admit to recieving death threats from what they percieved as supporters of the administration. So you may be correct that Obama did not threaten, but my read of statements is something happened that niether party wants to admit. At least ACORN didn't go out to protest at the peoples houses that Obama singled out this time.Sic Semper Tyrannisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-49104708182784510922009-05-06T08:22:00.000-04:002009-05-06T08:22:00.000-04:00Gbiz: I'm renaming The War on Terror/Operation...Gbiz: I'm renaming The War on Terror/Operation Contingent Overseas Activities "Operation Platypus", because I think it's just as descriptive as the others. All of these titles are either too vague (operation contingent...) or too loaded (war on terror). How about we have a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, and are trying to root out Al-Qaeda? Of course that won't fly. Not sexy (or vanilla) enough. so it's going to be Operation Platypus to me from here on out. It's actually pretty accurate.<br /><br />Sic & Willie: Thanks for a point counter point on the chrysler issue. I'll have to look into it.Spencer Troxellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750605353914336538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-15985887917320003442009-05-05T18:12:00.000-04:002009-05-05T18:12:00.000-04:00Torture is not what I think our country should all...Torture is not what I think our country should allow or justify at any time. The reason we were held up as an example, in the past, to the rest of world, and why we were the moral leaders of the world, was that we were above using techniques like torture or the imprisonment of people with out charge. Many of these things that our country was involved in during the last eight years, when I was youngster, were only perpetrated by the evil people in the world, like the old USSR or China. America would always take the high road. Let's be the people who the rest of world looks up too, and not be just one of the bad ones.<br /><br />This is from the web site Media Matters, and it may clear up what Sic Semper Tyrannis has written about Obama threatening Chrysler's creditors.<br /><br /> During the May 5 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-hosts Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Gretchen Carlson repeatedly discussed allegations that the Obama administration threatened Perella Weinberg Partners, a hedge fund invested in Chrysler, without noting that Perella Weinberg itself has denied the allegation. Indeed, after initially ignoring Perella Weinberg's statement, Doocy himself during the previous day's Fox & Friends, "The White House says that didn't happen. This hedge fund says it didn't happen."<br /><br />Here is the whole <A HREF="http://mediamatters.org/items/200905050025" REL="nofollow">post</A>.Willie Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13947859182677829335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-84874809914215841702009-05-05T15:56:00.000-04:002009-05-05T15:56:00.000-04:00I think the Pew research is accurate to a point, I...I think the Pew research is accurate to a point, I would like more info on the demographics before trying to make such a bold blanket statement. As far as O trying to calm everyone down, I doubt it. FDR didn't use "crisis" as much as him. His chief of staff doesn't want a crisis to go to waste. He is apologetic to the rest of the world, then threatens Chrysler's creditors for not caving to his wishes. In this country he is the fear-monger-in-chief. Now back to torture, any means that gets info from those idiots that saves lives is good. These are not soldiers of a country, these are radical bigots who only want to destroy.Sic Semper Tyrannisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-84514523098480808682009-05-05T14:36:00.000-04:002009-05-05T14:36:00.000-04:00President Obama still says "The T Word" too, btw. ...President Obama still says "The T Word" too, btw. Look here:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqZ0iMw7i7EGbiZhttp://www.drudge.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-9627963767163465962009-05-05T13:34:00.000-04:002009-05-05T13:34:00.000-04:00I do think the new label for 'the war on terror' i...I do think the new label for 'the war on terror' is good. I also think it made sense to change swine flu to H1N1 because it wasnt accurate and it was leading people to stay away from pig products, which hurts the economy. Some governments actually slaughtered their pigs out of ignorance! Obamas trying to calm everyone down. Were all worked up. You seem to agree with him on that. I admit its the whole man caused disaster thing is pushing it a little, but I think that was blown up by the media.GbiZhttp://www.drudge.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-86207431800411700262009-05-05T12:30:00.000-04:002009-05-05T12:30:00.000-04:00Right, Sic. George Bush actually bent over backwar...Right, Sic. George Bush actually bent over backwards to make sure everyone knew Islam was 'a religion of peace'. Okay, enough about Bush. May he clear brush in peace.<br /><br />Willie: I've heard alot of mention of this pew poll, but I haven't really looked at it. I know Mark Daniels recently blogged about it (from a 'christian perspective'). Daniels is a white evangelical protestant, and he opposes torture, so he may provide an interesting counterpoint to the pew study you referenced.<br /><br />here's the link:<br /><br />http://markdaniels.blogspot.com/2009/05/one-reason-so-many-churchgoers-may.html<br /><br />It really seems moot to look at the issue from a religious standpoint. The Abrahamic God allowed the torture of Job and Jesus, he (personally) killed all of the firstborn males in Egypt, and demanded that we mutilate our genitals. On the other hand, there's plenty of calls towards compassionate behavior in the bible too. There's enough evidence in the bible to go either way on any number of moral issues. That's why I think it's probably a mistake to base our morality or worldviews on information received by revelation, or handed down by authority. We've got to do our own leg work when it comes to values.Spencer Troxellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750605353914336538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-31457941152390995862009-05-05T11:04:00.000-04:002009-05-05T11:04:00.000-04:00The Pew Research Center recently conducted a surve...The Pew Research Center recently conducted a <A HREF="http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=156" REL="nofollow">survey of Americans' views on torture</A>. Among the results is the distressing fact that the more an American attends church, the more likely he or she is to support torturing their fellow human beings. Self-identified "White Evangelical Protestants" are the most likely of any group to support torture.Willie Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13947859182677829335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-36408596559954474682009-05-05T10:59:00.000-04:002009-05-05T10:59:00.000-04:00Bush never claimed a war on Islam, he said it was ...Bush never claimed a war on Islam, he said it was a war on terror sponsored by Islamic Extremist. Ordinarily I would agree with the premise, however we are dealing with people that believe strapping a bomb on to their child to blow up other people without concern is something glorious. Do I think we should torture, no. Do I think this might be the exception, yes. Only the people that we believe have information useful to fight or save lives. Enjoy your morale outrage at it, worry about the world's opinion, consider me evil, I'm fine with it in this case. These dirtbags that believe they have rewards on the other side for maming and killing innocent people because they dare not believe what they believe are not worth it. I won't concern myself with whatever discomfort they receive because of their crime. If they leave us alone, they won't be bothered by us. If one of them gives information that protects my kids, grandkids or anyone elses kids and family, it was worth it.Sic Semper Tyrannisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-81017924996322234822009-05-05T10:58:00.000-04:002009-05-05T10:58:00.000-04:00Regarding your last point: The Bush administration...Regarding your last point: The Bush administration's use of language manipulation doesn't bar the Obama administration from engaging in the same kind of behavior. <br /><br />As to the current Obama rebranding policy: I'm very much for use of 'the mellow doctrine', as Roger Cohen calls it. I just think it's appropriate to call terrorists terrorists, Swine Flu Swine Flue, Terrorist attacks terrorist attacks, and torture torture. Changing the name of a thing doesn't change the nature of the thing. That being the case, I think you make a good point with your 'War on Terror' comment. It's a misleading and easily abused moniker. But is 'Operation Contingent Overseas Activities', or whatever the Obama administration is calling it these days, much better?Spencer Troxellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03750605353914336538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8179545922823777870.post-23708390769235037742009-05-05T09:26:00.000-04:002009-05-05T09:26:00.000-04:00I agree w. you on torture but not on Obama's use o...I agree w. you on torture but not on Obama's use of language. Not everyone is as smart as you are, some people need "A Cocktail" as you put it. Calling H1N1 swine flu scared people into not eating ham, A "War on Terror" can be used indescriminately and is too vague, too much like cold war rhetoric, and it made others in the world think there was a war against islam going on, and heightened tensions. Its not Obama that is the orwellian one, it was the bush administration.GbiZhttp://fleshbot.comnoreply@blogger.com